Lets look at the ten commandments.
Ten commandmentsFour of them are about not worshipping other deities or how to worship god.
No other gods, graven images, taking gods name in vain and obey the sabbath.
-Praying to saints and others flirts with breaking the first commandment.
-Graven images, walk into any christian church and what do you see? Because according to christian doctrine, jesus and god are one in the same.
-And the sabbath, well, that opens a whole bunch of issues.
Does this sound right?
Are jews and christians so likely to run off and flirt with foreign gods?
Is it a sign of a jealous and insecure god?
Or is it a means for people to maintain control over other people?
Praying to the virgin Mary, various saints, or anyone or anything other than god is breaking a commandment. That commandment is very specific and does not have any room for interpretation.
Graven images. Sistine Chapel with its famous painting that includes god breaks this commandment. As does every representation of Jesus, as previously explained. As does every picture, painting, statue (big or small), pendant anything with the likeness of Jesus is breaking a commandment.
The commandment about killing or murder is misunderstood at worst and misinterpreted at best. The original intent was for the Israelites. There is some degree of misunderstanding on this fact. And according to hebrew scholars, thou shall not kill (murder) is incomplete. It actually states a Jew shall not kill a fellow Jew. Believe it or not Islam has a very similar decree, but it too has been corrupted. It is not a blanket statement against the taking of a human life, in its original writing. According to the original intent, a Jew could kill a non-Jew with no fear of breaking the commandment. But as much in the bible it has been interpreted and adapted to suite the purposes of following generations.
The Sabbath. This is a tough one. Later interpretations of scripture has pardoned christians from the restrictions of the Sabbath in order to make the religion more palatable to converts. But it is still one of the commandments, it is there plain as day. And if this is "the word of god" as is so ardently claimed, can man undo that word? If you are logically consistent you cannot. But logic and consistency are not hallmarks of any religion. Over the past 2,000 years a whole library of excuses and reasons have been written to explain away inconsistencies in christianity. And the Sabbath is a big one.
The point is christians make a big deal out of the ten commandments, they want them everywhere. They believe they are the cornerstone of morality and goodness of this nation. They couldn't be more wrong. It is just like virtually everything else with christianity, it is how it is perceived rather than the actual substance that matters more. It is an illusion nothing more. If they were honest they would admit this, but that would cause the rest of the house of cards to crumble.
Thursday, July 2, 2015
Tuesday, June 23, 2015
Offending Islam
This may be made easier to call it what doesn't offend Islam.
Being a very vocal minority they seem to have an exaggerated sense of
They seem to believe a society they find themselves in bear the responsibility to change so to not offend them. This is backwards. But there is also more than a little hysterical behavior on the part of people here in the U.S. But there is some basis for it. Look at parts of France where Muslims have all but taken over parts of cities. The police do not even go there. They are enclaves of sharia law.
So in order to offend as many followers of Islam, I bring you the following.
Mohammed was a pedophile.
In all likelihood Mohammed had sex with animals as well as men and little boys.
In the truest spirit of Old Testament teachings he subjugated women.
Mohammed did not fly off into the sky.
Islam is no better and no worse than any of the other monotheistic religions, Christianity and Judaism. The so called prophets are not super natural, they never spoke to Yahweh, Allah or God. And despite what the believers of those three faiths believe, it is all the same being they worship! But because they believe their faith is the one true faith, they will never accept that fact. And that is ignorant.
Muslims can pray how ever and wherever they chose. I will defend that. But the second they begin to impose restrictions on those who don't believe as they do, all bets are off.
They can eat what ever they like. But tell me I have to give up ham or bacon, and we will have a rather large problem. If they are offended by the mere sight of it in a store, too bad. Open your own store! Get together and open a market to cater to your taste or beliefs. But walking into a supermarket and being offended by pork, that is childish. And by childish I mean it in the worst manner possible. A little spoiled, bad tempered child throwing a hissy fit.
The Oxford publishing in England has edited a children's book to remove any mention of the word pork or any derivative like sausage. Is this wrong? I think it is. Is it silly? Yes.
If someone is offended by the mere mention of anything regarding a pig, they have the problem.
What harm does the mere mention of a pig, pork or sausage have on a Muslim? Nothing.
So this whole Islam issue is going to lead to even larger issues for all religions. The fact that borderline fundamentalist Christians are leading this charge is a bit amusing. Islam and Christianity believe in the same God, and also share many of the same basic tenants, whether they like it or not, it is true. The fact radical Islam is more aggressive is almost irrelevant.
Fundamentalist Islam and Christianity share more in common than many people realize. Their views on women, political and social objectives, expanding the influence of their respective beliefs and non believers are very similar. Though I will admit Islam does does have a bit more militant action lately.
So in reality Christianity and Islam aren't really all that different. And the differences are more superficial sort of like the differences between sects of Christianity, small doctrinal differences but basically the same. They worship the same deity. Calling them a different name doesn't change the fact they both worship the Abrahamic god.
God
Yahweh
Allah
Same deity
Abraham
Moses
Elijah
Elisha
Jonah
Zachariah
Just to name a few. All prophets shared by Islam and Christianity. But according to followers of both religions there are "differences". Spelling of a name, differences in the narratives do not make a bit of difference. All of the scriptures are creations of men. Created to further an agenda, control the population and are in no way "the word" of a deity. That is the plain and simple truth.
The reasons given for the silence of the deity are the worst examples of rationalization. You simply have to look at history to see that. How the accepted view of the world has changed over the past few thousand years. But excuses are made, poor excuses at best to explain it away.
Monday, May 25, 2015
Willful ignorance
Having a discussion with a creationist is a useless endeavor.
There I have said it. Nothing anyone could say will dissuade them of their beliefs. Even if proof positive of evolution is shown to them it will not matter. They will say it is not real, it is a fabrication, it has been misrepresented or misinterpreted some how.
Ray Comfort
Dr. Richard Kent
I will be posting here since I have been causing some upset on Facebook with my family. While they do not share my beliefs, they don't begrudge me for mine. But asked that I take my opinions elsewhere.
There I have said it. Nothing anyone could say will dissuade them of their beliefs. Even if proof positive of evolution is shown to them it will not matter. They will say it is not real, it is a fabrication, it has been misrepresented or misinterpreted some how.
Ray Comfort
Dr. Richard Kent
I will be posting here since I have been causing some upset on Facebook with my family. While they do not share my beliefs, they don't begrudge me for mine. But asked that I take my opinions elsewhere.
Friday, March 13, 2015
Similarities?
Islam has been a staple of the news cycle for quite a while now.
Whether it is the killings in Europe of the satire magazine editorial group, ISIS, or the general paranoia that Islam is "taking over". It has been a fear-fest and makes for a boon for all news outlets. But some of the loudest voices here in the US are conservatives, which I find a bit amusing. Let me explain.
Whether christians or muslims want to admit it, they do worship the same god. It is just a matter of semantics really. Both religions cite old testament prophets as being the ancestors of their religions, it is just who they see as being their own prophet being the main divergence.
Conservatives are not given to seeing rights for women as being important or needed really. They view women's rights, particularly reproductive rights, as being too important to be left up to the individual woman. They claim some sort of biblical basis for this ideology. Yet the bible is very non specific on many issues, yet with so many words it is possible to shoe horn something to fit any shoe. Yet many conservatives remain quiet on this subject when their political or religious leaders make blatantly sexist or idiotic remarks regarding "the place" of women.
Take this catholic bishop from Ireland, Kevin Doran. This is his opinion of what a woman who is raped should do if she becomes pregnant.
“Well, the child is still a human being”, he responded. “That’s the issue - you don't destroy a life in order to get back at the mother's rapist."
Todd Akins saying in the case of legitimate rape the woman's body will block pregnancy.
John Foster saying rape is not an excuse for abortion.
The list goes on, and on, and on ad-naeusum
Yet it does not stop these conservatives from saying idiotic and blatantly erroneous statements. Why, because their followers believe what these people say. I have no idea. I have theories, but most involve a lack of independent or critical thinking capacity and/or a blind acceptance of biblical scripture. Both of which are a real problem in a modern society.
But I find it interesting that conservatives view islam as being the new communism. Yet the similarities in the real world of ideology are very similar. Both down grade the importance or women, a hysterical distrust of homosexuals and a rabid distrust of those who do not share their views. Granted that last is a hinderance to them seeing eye to eye.
Conservatives view god and country as being of utmost importance. And that may have been just fine in the 1940's or 50's, but the world is changing. It is not practical to have such a narrow world view anymore. Nationalism is becoming an anachronism. The world is truly becoming smaller, and like it or not every country does rely on many other countries to survive. And as far as religion, my views on that subject are no secret. Fundamentalism is a cancer on humanity. Be it islamic, christian or any other religion. It stifles thought processes, narrows views, discriminates against people and cultures and is just plain wrong.
So is there a true difference in how fundamentalist christians and islam behave? In a general view, not really. They advocate much the same bigotry, they share a narrow world view and force a fictional world view on others.
Whether it is the killings in Europe of the satire magazine editorial group, ISIS, or the general paranoia that Islam is "taking over". It has been a fear-fest and makes for a boon for all news outlets. But some of the loudest voices here in the US are conservatives, which I find a bit amusing. Let me explain.
Whether christians or muslims want to admit it, they do worship the same god. It is just a matter of semantics really. Both religions cite old testament prophets as being the ancestors of their religions, it is just who they see as being their own prophet being the main divergence.
Conservatives are not given to seeing rights for women as being important or needed really. They view women's rights, particularly reproductive rights, as being too important to be left up to the individual woman. They claim some sort of biblical basis for this ideology. Yet the bible is very non specific on many issues, yet with so many words it is possible to shoe horn something to fit any shoe. Yet many conservatives remain quiet on this subject when their political or religious leaders make blatantly sexist or idiotic remarks regarding "the place" of women.
Take this catholic bishop from Ireland, Kevin Doran. This is his opinion of what a woman who is raped should do if she becomes pregnant.
“Well, the child is still a human being”, he responded. “That’s the issue - you don't destroy a life in order to get back at the mother's rapist."
Todd Akins saying in the case of legitimate rape the woman's body will block pregnancy.
John Foster saying rape is not an excuse for abortion.
The list goes on, and on, and on ad-naeusum
Yet it does not stop these conservatives from saying idiotic and blatantly erroneous statements. Why, because their followers believe what these people say. I have no idea. I have theories, but most involve a lack of independent or critical thinking capacity and/or a blind acceptance of biblical scripture. Both of which are a real problem in a modern society.
But I find it interesting that conservatives view islam as being the new communism. Yet the similarities in the real world of ideology are very similar. Both down grade the importance or women, a hysterical distrust of homosexuals and a rabid distrust of those who do not share their views. Granted that last is a hinderance to them seeing eye to eye.
Conservatives view god and country as being of utmost importance. And that may have been just fine in the 1940's or 50's, but the world is changing. It is not practical to have such a narrow world view anymore. Nationalism is becoming an anachronism. The world is truly becoming smaller, and like it or not every country does rely on many other countries to survive. And as far as religion, my views on that subject are no secret. Fundamentalism is a cancer on humanity. Be it islamic, christian or any other religion. It stifles thought processes, narrows views, discriminates against people and cultures and is just plain wrong.
So is there a true difference in how fundamentalist christians and islam behave? In a general view, not really. They advocate much the same bigotry, they share a narrow world view and force a fictional world view on others.
Thursday, December 11, 2014
Freedom from Atheists Foundation (FFAF)
The FFAF is a web page as well as a Facebook page.
This is the mission statement from the web page
MISSION STATEMENT: The Freedom From Atheism Foundation (FFAF) has an international mission to provide awareness of and resistance to militant state atheism, support victims of intolerant and hostile atheists, defend and protect religious freedom, and educate people on the illogical nature of atheism using science, logic and reason.
This is more than a bit amusing in modern times, being the 21st century. The militant state atheism they write so much about is the USSR and China. The League of Militant Atheists is what they point to the most. Here is the dirty little secret of religious persecution in the USSR. They wanted to get rid of religion because the State was the religion. They didn't want people believing in anything besides the State. It is a rather large oversimplification but it is true. So to say that the Soviets were atheists is true, but with a rather large caveat.
Who are these "victims" they defend? Are they the people trying to get the 10 commandments removed from courthouses? Or those making a fuss over Xmas display on state funded land? I do think things have gotten a little out of control, on both sides of this issue. But why do they need another defender? Can you guess how much the christian churches in the US alone are worth? The mormon church raises 7 billion dollars a year, and the catholic church… In the US it has a cumulative worth more than the top five corporation COMBINED! Besides financial, there is the political backing. I think they have all the defense it requires.
The FFAF is just a mouth piece outlet for some disgruntled hacks.
This is the mission statement from the web page
MISSION STATEMENT: The Freedom From Atheism Foundation (FFAF) has an international mission to provide awareness of and resistance to militant state atheism, support victims of intolerant and hostile atheists, defend and protect religious freedom, and educate people on the illogical nature of atheism using science, logic and reason.
This is more than a bit amusing in modern times, being the 21st century. The militant state atheism they write so much about is the USSR and China. The League of Militant Atheists is what they point to the most. Here is the dirty little secret of religious persecution in the USSR. They wanted to get rid of religion because the State was the religion. They didn't want people believing in anything besides the State. It is a rather large oversimplification but it is true. So to say that the Soviets were atheists is true, but with a rather large caveat.
Who are these "victims" they defend? Are they the people trying to get the 10 commandments removed from courthouses? Or those making a fuss over Xmas display on state funded land? I do think things have gotten a little out of control, on both sides of this issue. But why do they need another defender? Can you guess how much the christian churches in the US alone are worth? The mormon church raises 7 billion dollars a year, and the catholic church… In the US it has a cumulative worth more than the top five corporation COMBINED! Besides financial, there is the political backing. I think they have all the defense it requires.
The FFAF is just a mouth piece outlet for some disgruntled hacks.
Monday, December 8, 2014
Atheists are what??
Bill Donohue of the Catholic League (more on this bunch later) is saying that "atheists are unhappy, die early and disproportionately insane."
This mouth piece is full of crap. There is no data what so ever to back this claim, none at all. He is talking like some sort of authority when he is just making noises.
In my personal experience, the non-believers I have known are not anything like what Donohue is talking about. That is not to say it is true for everyone. Religious or not what he describes I would bet fall evenly across both groups. But I have never known anyone who was unhappy, insane or kicked the bucket early because of non-belief! The other side of the coin is I have known a fair number of people who were devout who were miserable, waiting to be taken by the rapture and just not pleasant people to be around. This is a behavior that is fostered by religion, and that is a fact! These devoutly deluded poor people are going through the motions of living. But they go to church, give money and support the church, and that is all that matters to the church.
Another quote from Donohue, "[Atheists] believe that freedom is license to do whatever you want… They don’t want to be told anything, which is why they die prematurely, they’re unhappy. That’s why we have a disproportionate number of agnostics and atheists in the asylum. All of this is true."
This mouth piece is full of crap. There is no data what so ever to back this claim, none at all. He is talking like some sort of authority when he is just making noises.
In my personal experience, the non-believers I have known are not anything like what Donohue is talking about. That is not to say it is true for everyone. Religious or not what he describes I would bet fall evenly across both groups. But I have never known anyone who was unhappy, insane or kicked the bucket early because of non-belief! The other side of the coin is I have known a fair number of people who were devout who were miserable, waiting to be taken by the rapture and just not pleasant people to be around. This is a behavior that is fostered by religion, and that is a fact! These devoutly deluded poor people are going through the motions of living. But they go to church, give money and support the church, and that is all that matters to the church.
Another quote from Donohue, "[Atheists] believe that freedom is license to do whatever you want… They don’t want to be told anything, which is why they die prematurely, they’re unhappy. That’s why we have a disproportionate number of agnostics and atheists in the asylum. All of this is true."
What the F%$k is this? This is crap, as I wrote earlier there is zero statistics to back this up. But he doesn't need numbers or facts, his followers are apt to follow what people like Donohue say with very little to no question. They are called a flock for a very good reason, they are sheep. They follow and do as they are told, believe what they are told to believe and do not question.
Bill Donohue is full of $&#@!
Here are some bits of information about him to put his words into perspective.
in 2009 when the Ryan Report was released in Ireland on the sexual abuse by priests, here is what he had to say.
-He told Larry King that since most of the boys who were molested were over 12 years old it is not pedophilia but homosexual priests as the problem.
-Most of the accounts were from before 1970 when corporal punishment was common. So sexual abuse is corporal punishment by his standard?
-Since only a "small percentage" of priests were involved in sexual abuse of children making the claim that priests beat and raped children was wild and irresponsible, but he went on to say the accusations cheapened rape.
I would go on, but I think the point is made. He is schooled as a sociologist and he has a mission to deflect blame from the catholic church. You can go here and read more about this hack.
But this is the month when christians ramp up the pouting, alleged persecution and how they are losing control. It is December, time of the Winter Solstice. It is NOT the month when Jesus was born! There is overwhelming proof that he was not born in December. But I digress.
Donohue is a shill, a hack, a rather large sphincter spouting the catholic propaganda.
Even when there is overwhelming evidence pointing to truth, catholics are far to comfortable ignoring it. It is a sad state but the result of indoctrination and spiritual brainwashing.
Tuesday, May 27, 2014
Why are atheists viewed negatively?
Before I continue I want to make a definition clear. Ignorant. It means not knowing something. For instance I am completely ignorant of how to write code for a computer. It doesn't make me stupid, it just means I don't know.
I think the main reason people have a negative idea about atheism is a basic human response to things they are not familiar with. Here is my best personal example of this. I was at a World War 2 event in Reading a few years ago and there was a rather sudden down pour of rain. Many people gathered under a pavilion. There was an older woman having trouble getting under a rope barrier, so I went out and helped her. I was wearing the shirt I got at the Reason Rally by the way. The front of the shirt is about the rally, but the back lists the groups that sponsored it, many atheist groups. So she is under the pavilion and thanking me and saying what a gentleman I am. But I turned around to make space for her to stand and she saw the back of the shirt. Her reaction was comical, you would have thought my shirt had a picture of hitler with "he had the right idea" written on it or something. She backed away from me like I was going to attack, bumping into people as she did.
It is a sad state of affairs when people have this sort of reaction. I am not a big proponent of polls because there are too many ways to skew them, wording and how the data is collated being the two biggest. But polls regularly state that atheists are one of the least trusted groups. Why is that? How many atheists does the average person know, atheists who are open about it? Not many is my guess. There is a knee jerk reaction particularly among the religious people, and people from certain geographic locations in the country. Are they taught this? Is it discussed in churches or bible studies?
I think it is simply a fear of the unknown and people perceived as being different. These very same people probably have other dislikes for other religions or cultures too. But it comes down to a belief that their religion makes them superior to others, even of others of different yet similar denominations. It is an argument of semantics really. But I believe it is a fair bit of ignorance.
The woman I helped was so happy with me at first, so gracious when I was just another "good" person. In her mind people are probably just like her. But when she found out otherwise everything flipped. This is a bad thing. Nothing good comes from this sort of xenophobic reactions. Are there bad atheists, sure. Are there bad deeply religious people, sure. There are good and bad people everywhere. Those sorts of behaviors are spread across the whole spectrum of human society. Many people fear or distrust those who are different than themselves. They are raised thinking their religion, race or whatever is who they can trust, who they can rely on, that they are righteous. And the "others" that don't share their beliefs and have their own agendas are wrong and not to be trusted. I don't know the proper terms for this, but it is a very common human response. And it is a problem.
People think the past is so much better than today, people were better, life was better, whatever. That is a load of crap.
Was society less violent 50 or 100 years ago?
Was there a better standard of living? Were people healthier?
No on all counts.
What has changed is information. Back then news was more or less regional. Big stories might make it out of a region but most news did not. If you lived in Kansas, it is unlikely you would know about a triple murder in Florida unless it was picked up in your region or you knew someone in that region. Also news was on tv for 1-2 hours per day and newspapers were usually once a day sometimes two. But today news from all over the country is flooding in because it is 24/7. And they need news to fill those minutes. So it isn't that society has become more violent really, statistics say otherwise, it is that we hear about much more from around the country. We are certainly healthier and standard of living, that is relative. So the fondness for the past is a ruse. Every generation says it was better when they were younger. It is certainly different, and changing faster all the time. But it is a matter of perception.
And perception is where I want to end this. Atheists are perceived by some as being evil, immoral or just bad people because they don't have god in their lives. Or my all time favorite, satanic. A rational thought shows this to be false, misleading and an attempt by the believer to shore up their own beliefs. If having non believers in the world is enough to shake their faith, it isn't the atheist that has the problem. There are more non judeo-chrisitans in the world, like Hindus. They live in a society much older than the west, and what about the eastern faiths like shinto and buddhism? By sheer numbers judeo-chrisitians are out numbered. Doesnt that say anything? And those populations are growing, and by all accounts christianity is shrinking.
So I guess if everything is taken into account, privileged belief, ignorance of other and non belief, and xenophobia are a real problem. When people can stop dividing themselves along arbitrary lines like religion, race, sexual orientation or political affiliation the world will be a much better place.
Tuesday, March 25, 2014
Was Jesus wrong?
Mega Churches
The mega church is capitalism and religion at their pinnacle!
The biggest is Lakewood church lead by Joel Osteen. There are 90 mega churches with over 10,000 attendees every week! These are making a very few people very wealthy! Osteen has never disclosed his charitable donations. He claims he doesn't draw a salary yet he lives in a $10.5 million dollar mansion. While it is "free" to go to Lakewood church, Osteen charges $15 to reserve a seat when he takes his show on the road. For better seating you are looking at 3 to 4 times that. Doesn't christianity preach specifically against the rich? Didn't Jesus have nothing but disdain for the wealthy, something about a camel and the eye of a needle?
It is hypocrisy, it is about self serving, self aggrandizing, greedy people. They, particularly Osteen, preach do as I do and you will be wealthy like me! This is christianity in the US today it seems like. With unemployment, real unemployment not the bullshit numbers reported on, well over 10% nationally, these mega churches are preying on the most vulnerable. They preach you can be wealthy too if you listen and follow what they preach. That is a load of crap! The only people getting rich are those associated with the churches!
Of the 90 largest mega churches, the average attendance is somewhere around 12,000 per week, which is over 1 million people (1,080,000). Now if each one of those people put just $2 into the collection plate or donate otherwise per week, that is $2.160 million dollars PER WEEK! Or over $112 million dollars per year. This is a very conservative calculation, if it is $5 per person that ups the donations to over $5 million per week!
Like the catholic church, these mega churches do not pay taxes as ordinary businesses do. But aside from that, they do not operate as a charitable organization. The operating expenses of these mega churches cannot be any more than a third of the money brought in. While these "churches" do have to report their expenditures to charity, I would bet it is far less than a quarter, probably closer to a tenth of income. So where does the money go?
The Lakewood Church reports income of $70 million per year.
Osteen says he does not draw a salary from the church.
Osteen lives in a 10 million dollar mansion. The $260,000 tax bill is paid by Covenant Trust.
He claims he lives off profits of his books and is reported to have made $55 million, including advances on his books of up to $13 million.
Joel Osteen has said that a person should never feel guilty for being rich, as God views that as an insult. Instead, he should praise God for blessing him with the money.
Proverbs 11:28 Those who trust in their riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.
James 2:6 But you have dishonoured the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you by might? and do not they draw you before the judgment seats?
There are MANY quotes from the old testament regarding the wealthy. But some how Osteen and all the other mega church preachers seem to be above the word of their god. But that is the point isn't it, they are. They flourish, none of them have ever been struck down by their god. They can rewrite the words how ever they chose, like all christians they take the easy road and ignore the inconvenient. They are elites, they are better than those who they feed off of like parasites, they are the betters of the commoners. Right??
Fucking hypocrites!
The mega church is capitalism and religion at their pinnacle!
The biggest is Lakewood church lead by Joel Osteen. There are 90 mega churches with over 10,000 attendees every week! These are making a very few people very wealthy! Osteen has never disclosed his charitable donations. He claims he doesn't draw a salary yet he lives in a $10.5 million dollar mansion. While it is "free" to go to Lakewood church, Osteen charges $15 to reserve a seat when he takes his show on the road. For better seating you are looking at 3 to 4 times that. Doesn't christianity preach specifically against the rich? Didn't Jesus have nothing but disdain for the wealthy, something about a camel and the eye of a needle?
It is hypocrisy, it is about self serving, self aggrandizing, greedy people. They, particularly Osteen, preach do as I do and you will be wealthy like me! This is christianity in the US today it seems like. With unemployment, real unemployment not the bullshit numbers reported on, well over 10% nationally, these mega churches are preying on the most vulnerable. They preach you can be wealthy too if you listen and follow what they preach. That is a load of crap! The only people getting rich are those associated with the churches!
Of the 90 largest mega churches, the average attendance is somewhere around 12,000 per week, which is over 1 million people (1,080,000). Now if each one of those people put just $2 into the collection plate or donate otherwise per week, that is $2.160 million dollars PER WEEK! Or over $112 million dollars per year. This is a very conservative calculation, if it is $5 per person that ups the donations to over $5 million per week!
Like the catholic church, these mega churches do not pay taxes as ordinary businesses do. But aside from that, they do not operate as a charitable organization. The operating expenses of these mega churches cannot be any more than a third of the money brought in. While these "churches" do have to report their expenditures to charity, I would bet it is far less than a quarter, probably closer to a tenth of income. So where does the money go?
The Lakewood Church reports income of $70 million per year.
Osteen says he does not draw a salary from the church.
Osteen lives in a 10 million dollar mansion. The $260,000 tax bill is paid by Covenant Trust.
He claims he lives off profits of his books and is reported to have made $55 million, including advances on his books of up to $13 million.
Joel Osteen has said that a person should never feel guilty for being rich, as God views that as an insult. Instead, he should praise God for blessing him with the money.
Proverbs 11:28 Those who trust in their riches will fall, but the righteous will thrive like a green leaf.
James 2:6 But you have dishonoured the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you by might? and do not they draw you before the judgment seats?
Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God."
There are MANY quotes from the old testament regarding the wealthy. But some how Osteen and all the other mega church preachers seem to be above the word of their god. But that is the point isn't it, they are. They flourish, none of them have ever been struck down by their god. They can rewrite the words how ever they chose, like all christians they take the easy road and ignore the inconvenient. They are elites, they are better than those who they feed off of like parasites, they are the betters of the commoners. Right??
Fucking hypocrites!
Thursday, December 5, 2013
2013 War on Xmas
Sarah Palin has "written" a book on the war on christmas.
Do you honestly believe she wrote it? While I am not going to say she is a complete dim wit, because that would be offensive to all the dim wits in the world, but intelligence isn't exactly a strength for her. I am pretty sure this book was ghost written for her.
So Fox News is starting up the nonsense again, like the do every year. They have the followers in lock step believing every word they say, mostly because they are preaching to the proverbial choir. Fox News tailors the reporting to a particualr audience, telling them what they want to hear. It is a great business model, but leaves quite a bit to be desired in the reporting of actual news.
Here is a collection of articles by The Blaze
http://www.theblaze.com/news/war-on-christmas/
But I have been sidetracked again.
War on xmas?? Tell me where in the US can you get away from xmas? It is EVERYWHERE! I am not complaining about that, even if I am not a big fan of the whole thing and the excess of it all. But how can any sane person say there is a war on xmas when it is just about everywhere you look! It is a visual assault day and night, pretty soon every other song on the radio is going to be xmas music, every ad on tv, and soon every show is going to be xmas. But if someone is refused putting a nativity on a public space it is suddenly a war? In most towns of any size there are plenty of churches all with varying displays, but the one place they are told they can't put them is some affront to christianity?
Finally we come to the history of xmas. The truth of the matter is no one is sure when Jesus was born, it is not related in any scripture or any sort of record. But judging by the details related in scripture it is definitely not the end of December! Most information I have read seems to agree he was born either in the summer or early fall. So why is December 25th the holiday celebrated? What other event falls around that time? What other event was celebrated by prechristian religions? Winter solstice.
Christians co-opted many dates and traditions of pagans to make integration easier, it is a very smart move on their part, good marketing. But try telling these Fox News sycophants this and you will be lucky to get away before they lynch your ass for blasphemy! And believe me the American taliban secretly admire the islamic blasphemy laws!
So it is just a holiday, a holiday that has become so corrupted by corporate greed as to be all but unrecognizable.
Do you honestly believe she wrote it? While I am not going to say she is a complete dim wit, because that would be offensive to all the dim wits in the world, but intelligence isn't exactly a strength for her. I am pretty sure this book was ghost written for her.
So Fox News is starting up the nonsense again, like the do every year. They have the followers in lock step believing every word they say, mostly because they are preaching to the proverbial choir. Fox News tailors the reporting to a particualr audience, telling them what they want to hear. It is a great business model, but leaves quite a bit to be desired in the reporting of actual news.
Here is a collection of articles by The Blaze
http://www.theblaze.com/news/war-on-christmas/
But I have been sidetracked again.
War on xmas?? Tell me where in the US can you get away from xmas? It is EVERYWHERE! I am not complaining about that, even if I am not a big fan of the whole thing and the excess of it all. But how can any sane person say there is a war on xmas when it is just about everywhere you look! It is a visual assault day and night, pretty soon every other song on the radio is going to be xmas music, every ad on tv, and soon every show is going to be xmas. But if someone is refused putting a nativity on a public space it is suddenly a war? In most towns of any size there are plenty of churches all with varying displays, but the one place they are told they can't put them is some affront to christianity?
Finally we come to the history of xmas. The truth of the matter is no one is sure when Jesus was born, it is not related in any scripture or any sort of record. But judging by the details related in scripture it is definitely not the end of December! Most information I have read seems to agree he was born either in the summer or early fall. So why is December 25th the holiday celebrated? What other event falls around that time? What other event was celebrated by prechristian religions? Winter solstice.
Christians co-opted many dates and traditions of pagans to make integration easier, it is a very smart move on their part, good marketing. But try telling these Fox News sycophants this and you will be lucky to get away before they lynch your ass for blasphemy! And believe me the American taliban secretly admire the islamic blasphemy laws!
So it is just a holiday, a holiday that has become so corrupted by corporate greed as to be all but unrecognizable.
Sunday, December 30, 2012
Wasn't so bad!
Maybe I was just not paying quite as much attention as I should have, but it seems like the "War on Xmas" was a bit of a non story this year?
It is true that I don't watch O'Reilly or Fox News for that matter. I cannot handle the nonsense they spew and actually let me amend that. I don't watch any news on television, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS or ABC, none of them. So I guess I can't single out Fox News, but I will anyway.
So what is up with the poor persecuted christians? Did they have a good Xmas this year? Did the nasty evil atheists not ruin their Xmas?
Who cares? If you live in the US you cannot get away from Xmas is you tried! It looks like some kind of colorful holiday monster puked over every square foot of the country!
And no I am not being a scrooge, I will never begrudge anyone Xmas. But I do get a little annoyed with the obscene commercialization of it all. And then there is the small matter that Jesus was not born in December, but that is a horse that has been beaten into a bloody mess.
It is true that I don't watch O'Reilly or Fox News for that matter. I cannot handle the nonsense they spew and actually let me amend that. I don't watch any news on television, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS or ABC, none of them. So I guess I can't single out Fox News, but I will anyway.
So what is up with the poor persecuted christians? Did they have a good Xmas this year? Did the nasty evil atheists not ruin their Xmas?
Who cares? If you live in the US you cannot get away from Xmas is you tried! It looks like some kind of colorful holiday monster puked over every square foot of the country!
And no I am not being a scrooge, I will never begrudge anyone Xmas. But I do get a little annoyed with the obscene commercialization of it all. And then there is the small matter that Jesus was not born in December, but that is a horse that has been beaten into a bloody mess.
Thursday, November 29, 2012
O'Reilly is going off the rails
Bill O'Reilly of Fox News, the champions of christmas.
I saw a video online about the "War on christmas" with David Silverman of American Atheists.
O'Reilly first off is a bit of a nut. He tries to take the angle that christianity is not a religion but a philosophy. That catholicism is a religion but not christianity? Huh?
Here is a Newshound story about this LINK
Bill is losing it! Well, he is losing it as part of his job. Like all the other talking heads on Fox News they are entertainers. They are so far removed from doing actual news they kind of remind me of Honey Boo Boo. They talk a lot, but what they say makes no sense. O'Reilly is playing to his audience, the right wing closed minded sycophants who tend to only view the world as they think it should be. It is kind of like a Kool-Aid induced distortion field.
Bill calls David a fascist. This is absolutely hilarious to me.Bill gets his hackles up, starts leaning toward David, pointing, HILARIOUS!
Good job David!
I saw a video online about the "War on christmas" with David Silverman of American Atheists.
O'Reilly first off is a bit of a nut. He tries to take the angle that christianity is not a religion but a philosophy. That catholicism is a religion but not christianity? Huh?
Here is a Newshound story about this LINK
Bill is losing it! Well, he is losing it as part of his job. Like all the other talking heads on Fox News they are entertainers. They are so far removed from doing actual news they kind of remind me of Honey Boo Boo. They talk a lot, but what they say makes no sense. O'Reilly is playing to his audience, the right wing closed minded sycophants who tend to only view the world as they think it should be. It is kind of like a Kool-Aid induced distortion field.
Bill calls David a fascist. This is absolutely hilarious to me.Bill gets his hackles up, starts leaning toward David, pointing, HILARIOUS!
Good job David!
Monday, November 26, 2012
Ramping up the War, thanks Fox News!!
A win?
Santa Monica
I think the manner in which they fought this is innovative and should be taken as a lesson around the country.
This one is just plain silly
Charlie Brown
The parents got upset that their kids were going on a school trip to see Charlie Brown Xmas at a church? Why? It's freaking Charlie Brown! WTF? The parents got letters letting them know, so where is the fucking problem? Oh I forgot, this is Arkansas. It all makes sense now, never mind.
Santa Monica
I think the manner in which they fought this is innovative and should be taken as a lesson around the country.
This one is just plain silly
Charlie Brown
The parents got upset that their kids were going on a school trip to see Charlie Brown Xmas at a church? Why? It's freaking Charlie Brown! WTF? The parents got letters letting them know, so where is the fucking problem? Oh I forgot, this is Arkansas. It all makes sense now, never mind.
Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Sunday, November 11, 2012
War of Xmas is coming
Any day now, like they do every year, Fox News will begin its coverage of the "War on Christmas". Like much of the nonsense Fox News covers, this is almost entirely fabricated by and for Fox News, particularly Bill O'Reilly. And every year I get more and more amusement out of it.
To say that there is a "War on Xmas" in the US is the height of hilarity! How the hell can you get away from it! Every where you go, for all intents of purpose, there is Xmas decoration, displays and other nonsense.
I am not anti-christmas. It has become a commercial powerhouse driving the retail economy of the US. And that has become the story of what Xmas is about. I personally get sick of the decorations and the damn music by a few days after Thanksgiving.
It is almost certain that Jesus was not born at the end of December. If the biblical account is accurate, which has reasons to doubt that also, the whole story doesn't fit with what people would do at that time of the year in that region of the world. The reason it is at the end of December is because of the Winter Solstice. The early christian church worked hard to integrate pagan celebrations into christianity to make it more palatable.
Back to the War.
Like I said earlier, it is impossible to avoid xmas. It is every where. So what about people who don't celebrate xmas? There is a fairly large percentage of the US population that are not christian. So why does the entire country have to be subjected to the nightmare xmas has morphed into? But, there really is no "War on Xmas". It is a fabricated issue by Peter Brimelow and Bill O'Reilly.
Why? Well, why does the press do anything. For ratings, it is plain and simply about ratings. It is not about reporting the news. I have little regard for people who rely strictly on Fox News as their sole source of news. It is not fair and balanced, and it does have a definite slant in how it reports the news. And this "War on Xmas" is perfect ratings fodder for them.
There is no war on xmas. The only people who believe there is have other agendas. Those agendas undoubtedly are rooted in a political and/or economic basis.
To say that there is a "War on Xmas" in the US is the height of hilarity! How the hell can you get away from it! Every where you go, for all intents of purpose, there is Xmas decoration, displays and other nonsense.
I am not anti-christmas. It has become a commercial powerhouse driving the retail economy of the US. And that has become the story of what Xmas is about. I personally get sick of the decorations and the damn music by a few days after Thanksgiving.
It is almost certain that Jesus was not born at the end of December. If the biblical account is accurate, which has reasons to doubt that also, the whole story doesn't fit with what people would do at that time of the year in that region of the world. The reason it is at the end of December is because of the Winter Solstice. The early christian church worked hard to integrate pagan celebrations into christianity to make it more palatable.
Back to the War.
Like I said earlier, it is impossible to avoid xmas. It is every where. So what about people who don't celebrate xmas? There is a fairly large percentage of the US population that are not christian. So why does the entire country have to be subjected to the nightmare xmas has morphed into? But, there really is no "War on Xmas". It is a fabricated issue by Peter Brimelow and Bill O'Reilly.
Why? Well, why does the press do anything. For ratings, it is plain and simply about ratings. It is not about reporting the news. I have little regard for people who rely strictly on Fox News as their sole source of news. It is not fair and balanced, and it does have a definite slant in how it reports the news. And this "War on Xmas" is perfect ratings fodder for them.
There is no war on xmas. The only people who believe there is have other agendas. Those agendas undoubtedly are rooted in a political and/or economic basis.
Monday, August 20, 2012
Ten Commandments
1- No gods before me
2- No graven images
3- Dont take the lords name in vain
4- Keep the sabbath
5- Honor your father and mother
6- Dont kill
7- Dont commit adultery
8- Dont steal
9- Dont bear false witness against a neighbor
10- Dont covet
It has always struck me a little odd that the top four commandments are all about how god wants to be viewed, spoken about and treated as the one true god.
No gods before me? I understand that a jealous god would demand unwavering dedication to it. Exodus 34:14 Was god so afraid of his followers being promiscuous with some other god? Well, I guess he should be, look what happened when god was preoccupied making the tablets for Moses, the people went crazy and made golden calf and worshiped it. My question is, if god is all powerful, how did he miss these events going on? God does seem to be jealous, but also vindictive. Give people just enough proverbial rope to hang themselves and then run down the mountain, smash the commandments and slaughter 3,000 of his people as an example? Jealous god indeed!
No graven images. If you have ever been in a synagogue, you will notice there are no depictions of god, no images, nothing. Go to just about any christian church what do you see? lots of images, paintings, murals, statues, etc. Aren't these explicitly forbidden? For me personally I am creeped out by the image of some poor soul hanging off a cross.Many christians believe idolatry is just about the golden calf and worshiping false gods. But that is not the case. The word idoltry is the problem I believe, and this heads off to the ignorance many christians have of the bible. But that is for another posting.
Taking the lords name in vain. I believe it is not in reference to exclaiming "god damn it" or as some believe saying the word god. I think it refers to not making a statement in gods name. for instance saying that god demands this, when it is not written any where. You are in essence putting words into gods mouth, and god doesn't like that.
Keep the sabbath. Despite what christians believe, according to biblical belief, the sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. And aside from some hassidic jews I cant think of anyone who actually follow this commandment. Keeping the sabbath means, no work at all, no work for people and animals. According the bible work is something as mundane as collecting firewood. So typing on a computer, opening a refridgerator door or even the door to a house, driving a car, taking the dog for a walk, all forbidden!
Honor your father and mother. Didn't Jesus tell his followers to turn against their father and mother. It was in reference to the beginning of the end, kind of. Its not very specific, at least what I could find. But no, Jesus did not mean to turn against your parents.
Dont kill. This is one that has lead to lots of arguements. According the jewish law, it means don't kill another jew. Sometimes the word murder is used, which has a whole other set of meanings. Murder is wrong, killing can be justified according to the bible. I might need to come back to this one.
Don't commit adultery. According to the bible (OT), this is not as simple as it may seem. Since men were able to have more than one wife, to accuse a man of adultery was not so easy. Adultery was a capital offense, meaning you could be put to death for it. But since a man could have more than one wife, if he was caught having relations with a woman who was not his wife, he avoid death by making her his wife, unless the womans father forbade it. But for a woman it was worse. If she was caught with a man who was not her husband, with at least two witnesses, she would be put to death. If the woman was raped and did not cry out for help, she would be put to death. If she cried out it would signify it was not consensual. It goes on, but basically, sex outside of marriage is forbidden.
Don't steal. This has some interesting basis in another interpretation. I have been reading that it is not simply taking what is not yours, but refers to slavery and kidnapping. The word steal was misinterpreted, which is not surprising. But it refers to kidnapping or enslaving people. But in the OT there was lots of slavery, lots of stealing of women, so what gives? It goes back to the don't kill commandment. It means don't steal a fellow jews slaves, don't kidnap a fellow jew. Kind of brings this one into a new light.
Don't bear false witness against a neighbor. This is really a legal term in the bible. It literally means giving false testimony in court. That simple.
Coveting. This is really the commandment dealing with stealing, not the previous. It began in the OT as dealing with treasure of destroyed cities that god commanded be utterly destroyed. All the gold and silver in the cities was to be destroyed and not brought back. Coveting leads to lust, and lust leads to all sorts of ill behavior.
So how many of these commandments are actually followed?
2- No graven images
3- Dont take the lords name in vain
4- Keep the sabbath
5- Honor your father and mother
6- Dont kill
7- Dont commit adultery
8- Dont steal
9- Dont bear false witness against a neighbor
10- Dont covet
It has always struck me a little odd that the top four commandments are all about how god wants to be viewed, spoken about and treated as the one true god.
No gods before me? I understand that a jealous god would demand unwavering dedication to it. Exodus 34:14 Was god so afraid of his followers being promiscuous with some other god? Well, I guess he should be, look what happened when god was preoccupied making the tablets for Moses, the people went crazy and made golden calf and worshiped it. My question is, if god is all powerful, how did he miss these events going on? God does seem to be jealous, but also vindictive. Give people just enough proverbial rope to hang themselves and then run down the mountain, smash the commandments and slaughter 3,000 of his people as an example? Jealous god indeed!
No graven images. If you have ever been in a synagogue, you will notice there are no depictions of god, no images, nothing. Go to just about any christian church what do you see? lots of images, paintings, murals, statues, etc. Aren't these explicitly forbidden? For me personally I am creeped out by the image of some poor soul hanging off a cross.Many christians believe idolatry is just about the golden calf and worshiping false gods. But that is not the case. The word idoltry is the problem I believe, and this heads off to the ignorance many christians have of the bible. But that is for another posting.
Taking the lords name in vain. I believe it is not in reference to exclaiming "god damn it" or as some believe saying the word god. I think it refers to not making a statement in gods name. for instance saying that god demands this, when it is not written any where. You are in essence putting words into gods mouth, and god doesn't like that.
Keep the sabbath. Despite what christians believe, according to biblical belief, the sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. And aside from some hassidic jews I cant think of anyone who actually follow this commandment. Keeping the sabbath means, no work at all, no work for people and animals. According the bible work is something as mundane as collecting firewood. So typing on a computer, opening a refridgerator door or even the door to a house, driving a car, taking the dog for a walk, all forbidden!
Honor your father and mother. Didn't Jesus tell his followers to turn against their father and mother. It was in reference to the beginning of the end, kind of. Its not very specific, at least what I could find. But no, Jesus did not mean to turn against your parents.
Dont kill. This is one that has lead to lots of arguements. According the jewish law, it means don't kill another jew. Sometimes the word murder is used, which has a whole other set of meanings. Murder is wrong, killing can be justified according to the bible. I might need to come back to this one.
Don't commit adultery. According to the bible (OT), this is not as simple as it may seem. Since men were able to have more than one wife, to accuse a man of adultery was not so easy. Adultery was a capital offense, meaning you could be put to death for it. But since a man could have more than one wife, if he was caught having relations with a woman who was not his wife, he avoid death by making her his wife, unless the womans father forbade it. But for a woman it was worse. If she was caught with a man who was not her husband, with at least two witnesses, she would be put to death. If the woman was raped and did not cry out for help, she would be put to death. If she cried out it would signify it was not consensual. It goes on, but basically, sex outside of marriage is forbidden.
Don't steal. This has some interesting basis in another interpretation. I have been reading that it is not simply taking what is not yours, but refers to slavery and kidnapping. The word steal was misinterpreted, which is not surprising. But it refers to kidnapping or enslaving people. But in the OT there was lots of slavery, lots of stealing of women, so what gives? It goes back to the don't kill commandment. It means don't steal a fellow jews slaves, don't kidnap a fellow jew. Kind of brings this one into a new light.
Don't bear false witness against a neighbor. This is really a legal term in the bible. It literally means giving false testimony in court. That simple.
Coveting. This is really the commandment dealing with stealing, not the previous. It began in the OT as dealing with treasure of destroyed cities that god commanded be utterly destroyed. All the gold and silver in the cities was to be destroyed and not brought back. Coveting leads to lust, and lust leads to all sorts of ill behavior.
So how many of these commandments are actually followed?
Purpose (hoped for purpose)
Is there christian persecution in the Untied States of America?
That is a question that is asked frequently, but seldomly directly. In the US there is something called the separation of church and state. Depending on who you talk to, this could mean many things depending on your agenda or purpose. Historically it is meant to keep government out of religion and vice versa. The United States is the most religious of any Western nation in the world, not because we are a "christian nation", but because the people have the freedom to worship how they choose.
At the time of the writing of the US Constitution, what would become the Untied States, the vast majority of the population was protestant. They left Europe, in part, because of catholic prosecution. So when the time came to write what would become the basis of the government of the United States, they added the separation of church and state. Its intent was to keep the government from intruding on the religious freedoms of the people. But it was also intended to prevent the intrusion of religion into government. In effect to prevent a state sponsored religion.
The Founding Fathers were children of the Enlightenment. They were raised in christian nations, by christian families, because that is how life was at the time. I was raised by a christian family and taught christian beliefs, but that does not and should not qualify me as a christian. The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution as a secular, or non religious foundation for the new nation. There have been many who attempt to claim that Jefferson, Adams, and others were christians. Jefferson was not a christian as it is viewed today. You simply have to read the Jefferson Bible to understand that. An author by the name of David Barton has written and spoken frequently about Jefferson being a christian. He has been promoted by christians and news outlets all over the US for years. Yet in July, I believe, of 2012 the publisher of his book "The Jefferson Lies" the book for inaccuracies. David Barton is hailed by many fundamentalist christian as being the truth.
-Newt Gingrich said Bartons work was "most useful" and "wonderful"
-In 2004 George Bush campaign hired him to do out reach to clergy. 1
-And Glenn Beck, more on him in a bit, said Barton is “the most important man in America right now.”
-Mike Huckabee stating "every young person in America would be under his tutelage, and understand who we really are as a nation. I wish there would almost be a simultaneous telecast, and all Americans would be forced, forced at gun point no less, to listen to every David Barton message..." LINK
It was announced that Glenn Beck, another one of the pillars of truth from Fox News, will be publishing the discredited Jefferson Lies himself!
This does not sound like persecution to me!
The Untied States of America IS NOT a christian nation. Because the majority of the population is christian does NOT make the government christian. The threat to the Constitution is from those very fundementalists who do not understand history, who do not understand the true intent of the Founding Fathers, and willfully seek the destruction of the United States.
Beware of Dominionism
That is a question that is asked frequently, but seldomly directly. In the US there is something called the separation of church and state. Depending on who you talk to, this could mean many things depending on your agenda or purpose. Historically it is meant to keep government out of religion and vice versa. The United States is the most religious of any Western nation in the world, not because we are a "christian nation", but because the people have the freedom to worship how they choose.
At the time of the writing of the US Constitution, what would become the Untied States, the vast majority of the population was protestant. They left Europe, in part, because of catholic prosecution. So when the time came to write what would become the basis of the government of the United States, they added the separation of church and state. Its intent was to keep the government from intruding on the religious freedoms of the people. But it was also intended to prevent the intrusion of religion into government. In effect to prevent a state sponsored religion.
The Founding Fathers were children of the Enlightenment. They were raised in christian nations, by christian families, because that is how life was at the time. I was raised by a christian family and taught christian beliefs, but that does not and should not qualify me as a christian. The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution as a secular, or non religious foundation for the new nation. There have been many who attempt to claim that Jefferson, Adams, and others were christians. Jefferson was not a christian as it is viewed today. You simply have to read the Jefferson Bible to understand that. An author by the name of David Barton has written and spoken frequently about Jefferson being a christian. He has been promoted by christians and news outlets all over the US for years. Yet in July, I believe, of 2012 the publisher of his book "The Jefferson Lies" the book for inaccuracies. David Barton is hailed by many fundamentalist christian as being the truth.
-Newt Gingrich said Bartons work was "most useful" and "wonderful"
-In 2004 George Bush campaign hired him to do out reach to clergy. 1
-And Glenn Beck, more on him in a bit, said Barton is “the most important man in America right now.”
-Mike Huckabee stating "every young person in America would be under his tutelage, and understand who we really are as a nation. I wish there would almost be a simultaneous telecast, and all Americans would be forced, forced at gun point no less, to listen to every David Barton message..." LINK
It was announced that Glenn Beck, another one of the pillars of truth from Fox News, will be publishing the discredited Jefferson Lies himself!
This does not sound like persecution to me!
The Untied States of America IS NOT a christian nation. Because the majority of the population is christian does NOT make the government christian. The threat to the Constitution is from those very fundementalists who do not understand history, who do not understand the true intent of the Founding Fathers, and willfully seek the destruction of the United States.
Beware of Dominionism
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